Another level of accountability

  • Another level of accountability

    Posted by dickatlee on September 3, 2026 at 11:55 am EDT

    In talking about the Lindsay Clancy case, the blogger “bad cattitude” today referred to a modern societal tendency to excuse violence if done by someone who is portrayed as a victim of society. However one feels about that, I thought his comment about responsibility for the bad outcomes of psychotropic drugs was relevant to our concerns on accountability:

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    …the idea of accountability cannot just vanish when the drugs cause something bad to happen… if these drugs can make you into a homicidal psychotic, whoever put you on them becomes your guardian and bears responsibility if you kill. we’ll charge a bartender for over-serving you (but not excuse you as a result). same should apply here. let’s see what the appetite of these psychiatrist quacks is for this level of concussed pharma intervention if they are on the hook for outcomes.

    honestly, this is a very serious proposal:

    “if these drugs are sufficiently powerful that that can make you commit murder and have that murder not be your fault, then the person who put you on them must take the blame.”

    they require an extreme standard of care… if you’re going to prescribe murder pills, you’re up for at least negligent homicide. if this outcome was not disclosed by the manufacturer, then they bear responsibility as well. it’s on them to test that…

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    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/attempted-murder-of-agency

    IMA-GregT replied 10 hours, 24 minutes ago 5 Members · 5 Replies
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  • IMA-HelenT

    Organizer
    September 3, 2026 at 12:20 pm EDT

    Senior Fellow, Psychiatrist Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring joins Nate Eaton to talk about the effects of the drugs and how they may have contributed to the alleged crimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s7CBT2_fOs

  • dickatlee

    Member
    September 3, 2026 at 3:00 pm EDT

    I’ll look forward to listening to that. But I think the important point being raised in that piece, which I haven’t heard anywhere, despite the widespread acknowledgment of the dangers, is the consideration of holding doctors responsible when something like that happens. It would go a long way to promoting informed consent. Every doctor would have to have a form laying out explicitly the dangers of suicide and homicide, which the patient and the doctor would have to sign, so the doctor could pull that out as a defense in a case where things went south. Such a form would have to be standardized across the industry, and pressure could be brought to bear to include on it all the other associated problems, such as difficulty in tapering.

  • Dr. Wawa

    Member
    September 3, 2026 at 7:44 pm EDT

    Forgive me if I am not caught up on this…But any woman who describes herself or is described by others as suffering from “post-partum depression” is extremely likely to have been prescribed an anti–depressant” of the SSRI class. These have never been shown to work better than placebo, in case you haven’t kept up with the data. At the same time, Dr. David Healey’s study many years ago showed that about 1% of people who take an SSRI become suicidal and./or homicidal. One of these drugs tends to come up in many of the stories of crazy shootings. An additional diagnosis which I did not hear on the radio versions of the Clancy story is “post-partum psychosis”. If the murders resulted from a post-partum condition, it was post-partum PSYCHOSIS. But that is rare– and becoming suicidal and/or homicidal on an SSRI drug is not rare. If she is not convicted because she was psychotic, she needs to go indefinitely to the state hospital for the insane–rather than gong back home. It’s a very interesting mess.

  • Wolfgang May

    Member
    September 5, 2026 at 6:56 am EDT

    Ein ausgezeichnetes Interview. Es sollte immer beobachtet werden, ob ein Psychopharmakon hilft und es sollten nichtmedikamentöse Behandlungen integriert werden mit dem Ziel, frei von Medikamenten zu werden.
    Es müssen nachhaltigere Wege der Therapie gefunden und gegangen werden als Psychopharmaka. V.a. muss der Arzt sich mehr Zeit nehmen und auf den/ die Patientin hören. Dass psychische Krankheiten chemische Probleme sind und deshalb mit Medikamenten behandelt werden müssen ist falsch und berücksichtigt nicht die Wechselwirkungen wischen Energie und Materie geschweige denn von Geist und Materie. Die stoffwechselbedingte Medikamenten-Verträglichkeit kann jedoch bis zu einem gewissen Grad laborchemisch abgeklärt werden.

    Angst in der Bevölkerung nimmt zu. Der interviewte Kollege macht Neuroentzündungen dafür verantwortlich und vermutet u.a. Stoffe aus der Umwelt als Ursache (auch Impfungen), verarbeitete Lebensmittel und Bildschirmzeit (v.a. soziale Medien). Ich stimme zu.
    Die Kombination dieser Faktoren beeinträchtigt unsere die Gesundheit, v.a. die unserer Jugend.

    • IMA-GregT

      Member
      September 5, 2026 at 1:39 pm EDT

      An excellent interview. It should always be monitored whether a psychotropic medication is helping, and non-drug treatments should be integrated with the goal of becoming medication-free.

      More sustainable paths of therapy must be found and pursued than psychotropic drugs. Above all, the doctor needs to take more time and listen to the patient. The idea that mental illnesses are chemical problems and therefore must be treated with medication is false and fails to consider the interactions between energy and matter, let alone between mind and matter. However, metabolism-related medication tolerance can, to some extent, be clarified through laboratory tests.

      Anxiety in the population is increasing. The interviewed colleague attributes this to neuroinflammation and suspects, among other things, environmental substances (including vaccinations), processed foods, and screen time (especially social media) as causes. I agree.

      The combination of these factors impairs our health, especially that of our young people.

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