[vegandan]

Contact IMA’s Senior Fellow Dr. Mumper. She most likely has all the related info you need.

[dickatlee]

Long ago it became clear the the Pertussis component of the TDaP and DTaP vaccines has two serious drawbacks.

1. It is unable to prevent colonization by B.pertussis bacteria. The classic 2013 baboon study is at https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1314688110, and I put up a graphic summary of it at http://dickatlee.com/issues/health/vaccines/maine/baboons_pertussis_study.html.

2. It has created a vaccine-original-sin situation where a large part of the pertussis bacteria population dropped pertactin, a key surface protein, and thus wasn’t recognizable by the vaccine. That variant is now is the primary infection source, and those that have been vaccinated are stuck for life with this situation (https://academic.oup.com/cid/article-abstract/60/2/223/2895696).

In short, the requirement you are describing is dangerous. If you get the booster, you will (a) be a potential threat to your grandchild from shedding in the immediate aftermath, and (b) will continue to be a threat if you are later exposed to the original bacterium, since you will be colonizing and shedding, but your symptoms will be reduced, potentially making you unaware of the situation.

[gsmith]

In the UK, whooping cough is known as the 100 day cough. When my wive had the disease a few years ago, she coughed for almost exactly 100 days. Most doctors prescribe antibiotics, but they admit that they have minimal efficacy. Nasty stuff, but she recovered fully.

[Steve Spencer]

My wife and I faced the same problem when our granddaughter was born – no vaccination, no visits. This presented a problem for my wife who, for reasons she has forgotten now, was advised NOT to have the whooping cough vaccine. After all these years (she was 67 at the time of the birth) she was terrified by the prospect and so refused to do it. However, our daughter-in-law (who applied the rule) was told by her doctor that this was required only for the first six weeks. after birth, so she was able to visit after ‘quarantine’.

I, on the other hand, having had the vaccine as a child with no (known) side effects, went ahead and got the booster. So far at least, I have had no problem.

[IMA-GregT]

Hi there, please see Dr. Mumper’s learnings in Informed Consent. https://imahealth.org/courses/kids-corner-with-dr-liz/lessons/kids-corner-6/

There’s also info from Karen our previous moderator on the DTap vaccine.

https://imahealth.org/forums/groups/public-forum/forum/discussion/covid-exemption/#post-3166

There’s this on CHD – https://childrenshealthdefense.org/search/

There’s also this search on the Highwire – https://thehighwire.com/?s=dtap

Hope this helps.

imahealth.org

Kid's Corner 6: Informed Consent - Independent Medical Alliance

Kid's Corner 6: Informed Consent - Independent Medical Alliance

[Jeff Gerber]

Since when does getting any kind of vaccine prevent you from spreading disease? The concern is about giving a newborn disease in a critical period of time when they are developing their immune system. No vaccine stops you from spreading germs.

[Jeff Gerber]

To clarify what I mean, I think you have a false sense of security that because you received vaccine X, Y, or Z, you are now able to go through a busy airport and get into the contained breathing space of an airplane with 70 other people and not catch anything from all those people you were just in contact with. So, are you preventing the spread of germs? Absolutely not. And if you’re specifically concerned with germ X and receiving vaccine X, I would think you need to receive that vaccine at least so many days before traveling to allow the immune system to react, but this still doesn’t guarantee you won’t contract X.

None of the logic makes sense IMHO.

[dbellusci]

Thanks for all the quick replies….I have lots to read now.