[IMA-HelenT]

As always thank you @jrgerber for starting an interesting discussion… My two cents worth is:

Before we jump into “universal vaccines,” I think we need honest discussion about vaccination history. Many still credit vaccines for the 20th-century public health boom, but clean water, sanitation, and better living conditions were huge factors too.

If we had that transparency, people could give true informed consent. Dr. Soon-Shiong’s killer T-cell approach interests me.it’s targeted, potentially safer, and very different from the old “expose and hope for antibodies” model.

If that’s the future, let’s make sure we get there without the profit-driven mistakes of the past.

[Jeff Gerber]

I asked copilot about the complexity of the M protein versus the Spike protein (see attached image). From this you get something of the genius of what Dr. Soon did. You see, with T cells he had a choice of what to train them to learn about SARS-2 and he decided on teaching them about the M protein rather than the Spike protein.

Why?

If you use antibodies as your methodology (as they did with mRNA) then the antibodies need to react to the protein. M protein antibodies don’t react much to… M protein is not “immunogenic” and so you won’t produce much for antibodies.

So why train killer T cells on M protein rather than spike? You see, the mRNA approach that RFK Jr. mentioned in his latest speech doesn’t work because the Spike protein will change – “High mutation rate” because it is a complex protein. Meanwhile, the M protein is simpler and “relatively conserved across variants”. So, the moment the Omicron variant came out, the mRNA vaccines were already outdated and didn’t work to produce antibodies for Omicron. But the M protein stayed the same and that means any approach that could identify the pathogen consistently across variants would have continued to kill the pathogen.

But the underlying theme here is that the mRNA NEVER worked because it didn’t come out until after the mutations to Spike protein started happening. It is a COMPLETE failure as a strategy.

[jwemd]

How about we approach from the position of optimizing health/immunity since so few are optimally healthy rather than keep pushing “vaccines.” Those who use no vaccines are among the healthiest of all groups.

[Cindi Anderson]

I meant to reply to you but replied to the main topic. Please see my reply.

[Jeff Gerber]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Our current understanding of health and sickness as a society is hyper focused on two false premises:

1. Packaged and processed foods exist which are good for you

2. The way to fix disease and sickness is always with medication or surgery

The third element that we don’t see because of the modern society we’ve grown up in is that we believe we will “starve to death” if we go a period without food. There’s also a notion of “I won’t get protein if I don’t eat red meat”.

Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, MD and Dr. Valter Longo, PhD both have looked beyond these premises and looked at our design and biology. Dr. Soon-Shiong mentions natural killer (NK) cells have existed for 450 million years (Cambrian era when the diversity of life exploded) and these are a foundation upon which to build medical science… something we have still not embraced and is the reason why his approach works. Dr. Valter Longo also relies on an ancient biological design which is that we have survived periods of starvation for millions of years and this system can be used by fasting in order to put the body into a protective mode and do some house cleaning.

If we’re not using either of these approaches as our first line of defense, it’s like trying to put out a fire with a squirt gun. It might do a bit of something, but it isn’t addressing the issue at large.

[IMA-HelenT]

100% this

👏👏

[Cindi Anderson]

They use the word “vaccine” to describe his work but it’s not really one. It irritates me. They do the same thing for “cancer vaccines” which really aren’t. If you watch a video with him you’ll see what he’s doing. As a cancer survivor and a person with T and B cell immune deficiencies, I am very interested. I don’t qualify currently because I don’t have active cancer. But hopefully soon. He just posted another video about how lymphocytes <1 are higher risk of death, and mine crashed after cancer treatment and I’m currently at 0.78.